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Post by Christy Smith on Nov 29, 2010 18:46:26 GMT -5
Hey girls! Congrats on making the f3! Its your favorite, only the most moderately bitter juror, Christy! I don't have a lot to say here really. This f3 isn't really the one I would have liked to see, but it is what it is and I think I have a winner vote picked, but I haven't cast that vote yet, so here is your chance to change it or solidify it in your favor. I wont ask a lot of questions, just the major ones I want to see answered that I don't expect others to ask, so while I have less questions in quantity I expect quality answers, and I reserve the right to ask follow-ups. First of all, for all 3 of you: I'm hearing quite a lot about what a major threat I was in this game or how I was some kind of "power player." I did well on the puzzle at the start of the game after working my ass off to get a decent score to make up for my social shortcomings in this. I wasn't really talking yet, so I wasn't really feeling too good about my chances of getting picked for a quality tribe. After that, I don't think I did well in a single challenge, and I only ever took charge of the kimono challenge because everyone I talked to was constantly asking why I didn't just do it all myself. So, my question for all of you is what made you think, despite my relatively nonexistant social game and my incompetence in these challenges, that I was any kind of threat or power player? Eliza: Congrats on getting here! I honestly never thought that I would be seeing you in the finals, but you made it! In your openning statement, you said that everyone you wanted to go home went home when you wanted them to, and at the tribal that followed my exit from this game, you said that had you had a vote, the result would have stayed the same. Now, your life at the time pretty much depended on you saying you would have voted me out at the time, but now that you're here and everything is coming out and you can afford to be honest, how would you answer that question? Alexis: Hi there! You and I didn't really talk in this game, but I wont hold that against you because I was never much of a talker. I am however interested to hear a little bit about the game on your end! So, when Eliza told me that you, Benry, Charlie and her had formed some kind of alliance targetting me, Jaime, and Amanda, I didn't ever actually believe it to be true. Now that I know that it was actually true, im really interested in hearing about it! Tell me about this alliance and what the plan would have been had it not all fallen through when Eliza squealed. Monica: Hey, Monica, congrats on making it. Im not too surprised to see you here, and as much as I wanted to see you join the jury, I expected you to make it to the end. I admit, you did something over the course of this game that significantly soured me towards giving you a vote when you made it here. But here is your shot: if you can tell me what it was that bothered me, and explain it from your end, you can have my vote. Bonus question (for all): create a bootlist from my perspective of the f7 in terms of who I would have voted for at the finale, my absolute vote to win at the top, and the person I would never vote to win at the bottom. Explain why you think my votes would have fallen that way. Thanks, ladies! I look forward to each of your answers!
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Post by Eliza Orlins on Nov 29, 2010 20:38:05 GMT -5
So, my question for all of you is what made you think, despite my relatively nonexistant social game and my incompetence in these challenges, that I was any kind of threat or power player?
ummmm...... lol.... you know, i just kinda thought u were playing a lot more than you were i guess. i think we only got to talk a couple times after i came back, before you got taken out... and after jaime went i never thought you were a big threat.
i guess i'd have to say that when i thought you were a huge threat, it was mostly because of ur group with jaime and amanda.
but yeah, after they went, i didn't see you as a threat.
Eliza:
Congrats on getting here! I honestly never thought that I would be seeing you in the finals, but you made it! In your openning statement, you said that everyone you wanted to go home went home when you wanted them to, and at the tribal that followed my exit from this game, you said that had you had a vote, the result would have stayed the same. Now, your life at the time pretty much depended on you saying you would have voted me out at the time, but now that you're here and everything is coming out and you can afford to be honest, how would you answer that question?
i woulda voted fairplay out, if i had a vote. but to be honest, that was the one round where i wasn't like going around trying to get people to vote a certain way (other than just not voting me). then when i heard from you that you and alexis were suddenly voting fairplay, i did try and get jane to do the same but... i didn't try that hard. i kinda took the round off, for the most part.
and like i said in amanda's questions, i kinda worded that opening statement thing wrong on account of rushing it so amanda could get to posting her stuff... i shoulda said, everyone that i voted when i came back, went home when i voted them.
and that's it for now. i'll answer the bonus one in a bit. thnx for the questions christy.
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Post by Alexis Jones on Nov 29, 2010 22:40:11 GMT -5
So, my question for all of you is what made you think, despite my relatively nonexistant social game and my incompetence in these challenges, that I was any kind of threat or power player?
This is an easy question... the first challenge you dominated so i associated you with the power players.
Tell me about this alliance and what the plan would have been had it not all fallen through when Eliza squealed.
*grins* Oh old naive Alexis. My plan was to go ahead and vote Na Onka off like what was supposed to happen before Eliza went ape shit. Then after that... the next time we were to lose we'd vote of Amanda, then Jaime, then you.
I knew in my mind that you three were tight and if we kept losing eventually some of us would leave. So i aligned with the weaker players (benry and charlie), as well as Eliza to stay alive.
Now it may not of been the worst idea since we didn't do that great in challenges but i overestimated my challenge ability.
That was my plan... haha it probably would of failed epically.
So hopefully i do this right... power ranking after you left.
1. Jane Jane had played a good social game and also a good strategic game. 2. Alexis Hopefully this doesn't seem arrogant, but i tried to help you and i think you were impressed with how i have done so far. 3. Monica At the time you left it probably looked like Monica was in charge of everyone including me. 4. Tyrone He voted with you... so maybe you were like friends. Plus he saved you on the tribe swap. 5. Fairplay He looked like a power player pre merge and it was discovered he wasn't all that later on but it might of been after you left. 6. Marcus didn't really realize how good he was until the round after you left so maybe you didn't either. 7. Eliza She came back and screwed you over after you voted her out first.... might not be your favorite person
This is probably totally wrong but whatevs.
Thanks for the question girl <3 <3 <3
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Post by Monica Padilla on Nov 30, 2010 2:14:59 GMT -5
Hey, Christy!
What made you think, despite my relatively nonexistant social game and my incompetence in these challenges, that I was any kind of threat or power player?
I wouldn't say by any means that you were incompetent. You were definitely good in the coin challenges, the kimono challenge, the puzzle, and I recall you being pretty good in the fighting challenge, too.
As for your social game, well, that's actually what made you a threat, to me. During the triple-tie, Jane told me that she had made a deal with you that she wouldn't vote for you if we lost, and that was why she voted against me. So, to me, that meant that you were a good enough player that Jane was willing to betray me over you. Going into the merge, I knew that you and her were still at least reasonably close, and that Jane had been offered an all-girl alliance with the five of you. (I didn't get an invite. Sads.) So, I'd say you were a threat based on the fact that you were obviously someone that people wanted to ally with.
Hey, Monica, congrats on making it. Im not too surprised to see you here, and as much as I wanted to see you join the jury, I expected you to make it to the end. I admit, you did something over the course of this game that significantly soured me towards giving you a vote when you made it here. But here is your shot: if you can tell me what it was that bothered me, and explain it from your end, you can have my vote.
I'm reasonably certain that you're referring to the stuff that went down the round that you left. I know that you and I had talked during the challenge, and made an agreement that I wouldn't go after you, and you wouldn't go after me. And... you went home.
You knew in advance you were going, which means that someone (my money's on Jane) told you that you were the target, and probably dropped my name as the one heading the charge, which I'm guessing pissed you off quite a bit, since it obviously looks like I told you I wouldn't target you, then did.
And, yeah. I'd be pissed at me, too.
So, here's what happened from my perspective.
The IC happened on a Friday, which meant that I was working late. I had just enough time to check in on the board and see what happened with Immunity in the colors challenge. To my shock, I won, and I had to give someone the mystery box. I wasn't sure what to do, so I panicked and just gave it to the first person who asked: Fairplay. (I considered giving it to Eliza, because I had promised her in the last round that I would take her and Alexis to the final four, but I figured if I did, the Neishis would catch on and vote us off.)
Several hours later, I signed on to find out that Amanda quit, and Eliza was going on a rampage, talking shit about me and claiming that I had backstabbed her because I didn't give her the box. She ratted out my final four deal to Fairplay, and basically ran around trying to get everybody against me. I eventually managed to calm her down and explain to her that making our alliance totally obvious was probably not the greatest plan. When she realized how badly she'd screwed us, she started freaking out that she was going to be voted off, because she couldn't vote.
To be honest, Amanda quitting is what changed things. When I told you that I wasn't targetting you, that was the truth. Everybody at that point had said they would vote for her, and that's why I told you that you weren't in any danger. We got forced to go to a second TC, I had to do damage control from Eliza's freakout, and I had very little options.
You were definitely not the original target. I originally tried to get people to vote for Tyrone, because he had totally screwed us over at the last TC. But Fairplay refused to vote for a Neishi, and Jane refused to vote for Tyrone at all, so it had to be a Kansai. At that point, I had already promised Alexis and Eliza that I would take them to the final four, so the target went on you by default. I think everybody thought we were voting for Eliza, and probably the fact that I not only appeared to be reneging on my promise, but also trying to blindside you, is part of what created your distaste for me.
So, I hope that's what you were looking for, Christy. It was honestly never my intention to lie to you, and, at the time, it wasn't a lie. You weren't going to be voted off. If Amanda's quit hadn't thrown everything into chaos, there's no way that you would have been targetted that round. I also wasn't trying to avoid telling you you were going, because I didn't know that you were. Nobody was concrete sure on Marcus or Alexis' vote, and I was still, right up until the deadline, trying like hell to get people to vote for Tyrone.
I hope that helps. If you'd like more explanation on anything, please let me know.
Bonus question: create a bootlist from my perspective of the f7 in terms of who I would have voted for at the finale, my absolute vote to win at the top, and the person I would never vote to win at the bottom. Explain why you think my votes would have fallen that way.
1 - Jane.
You guys were pretty close, especially after she saved you from the triple tie. And, honestly, who wouldn't vote for Jane in the finals?
2 - Jon
As unpopular as Fairplay's arrogant posts made him, I think that you're definitely a mature enough player that you would vote for him at the end, anyway. He was a nice guy, and everybody thought he had the idol, so if he were to make the finals, I think you would weigh the fact that he was in control of Neishi against his personality, and vote for him.
3 - Tyrone
This one's a gamble. I'd say if you knew Tyrone's alternate AIM address and were talking to him, you'd definitely realize what a UTR game he was playing and support him. Plus, he was one of the people who voted to keep you, and did at least try to help Kansai out at the final ten.
4 - Marcus
I'm reeeeally tempted to put Marcus lower. I think a lot of people tended to see Marcus as just a pawn in everybody else's game, and I don't think he really took off, strategically, until after you left, so I think it's far more likely that he'd be on the lower end of things. Also, he was the swing vote this round, so I think you would root for him just based on the hope that he would work with your allies and pull off the win.
5 - Alexis
Alexis had, at this point, already betrayed Jaime during the tiebreaker. She did vote to keep you, but I know that you guys weren't really close, so the fact that she didn't talk to you much coupled with the fact that she betrayed you once already wouldn't give you much reason to want to vote for her.
6 - Eliza
To be honest, as much as Eliza fought to vote for Jane and later Jon, I still think that you'd have a hard time forgiving the fact that she totally screwed you guys over, and was out for revenge. While she did try to change the vote, it wasn't so much to save you as to save herself. Also, I know that you're a fairly reserved conversationalist, and Eliza is anything but, so I think you probably weren't very close to her just based on that.
7 - Monica
Out of the three of us who you had reason to believe betrayed you, I think mine would be the one that you would respect the least. Where I think you were kind of expecting it from Alexis and Eliza already, the fact that I appeared to have reneged on my promise not to target you would have seemed totally unnecessary, and it's hard to want to vote for a player who does stuff like that maliciously.
But, I hope you see that that wasn't my intention.
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Post by Christy Smith on Nov 30, 2010 8:58:03 GMT -5
Thanks for the answers, everyone!
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Post by Amanda Kimmel on Nov 30, 2010 12:19:40 GMT -5
"Everybody at that point had said they would vote for [Amanda]"
Knew it.
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Post by Eliza Orlins on Dec 1, 2010 15:46:15 GMT -5
1 - Jane.
2 - Jon
3 - Tyrone
4 - Marcus
5 - Alexis
6 - Monica
7 - Eliza
i didn't put reasons because monica and alexis said everything pretty well... i mean, not a lot left for me to say, and i'm answering way late so i kinda assume everything's already settled.
lol sorry i didn't get to this part before, when actually explaining my answers would have had a point to it.
i've had a lot going on and well... this is as far as i ever wanted to go, so there's just not a lot of... motivation for me.
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